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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:38Hello. I have been informed I have an open Bank Robbery charge
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:38I want to know ON WHAT GROUNDS!?!?
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:38I have been informed this, by the way, by @Mask3D_WOLF
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:39@Dartanman Would you like a PA?
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:39A what?
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:39Public Advocate
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:39No, I'm fine myself.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:40Alr
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:40Here is the evidence
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:41@Dartanman
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:41Looks like Bank Trespassing to me
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:42Do you dispute that you robbed the bank?
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:42Again, that question directly violates Clause V of Section IV of the Constitution.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:42Then you can refuse to answer
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:43Yes
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:43*Yes, I refuse to answer
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:43I am noting that you do not dispute the charge then
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:43So I have to take this to Court...
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:43Not yet relaxed smh
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:43its for comedic affect shhh
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:43lmao
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:44@RelaxedGV Can you settle this
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:44I guess
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:44Howdy, Relaxed
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:44is there evidence stating that the bank is being robbed
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:44Yes, chatlogs
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:44can you add that to the charge.
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:44To be clear, the chat log says that when the bank door is broken
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:4516:25:37.662
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[CHAT] BANK » Bank of Reveille has sounded the alarms, there is a bank robbery underway!
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:45It has nothing to do with whether any money was stolen
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:45Yet I proved that money was stolen
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:45and as in a precedent from a court case breaking the vault door is enough for bank robbery. If that is all you can close the ticket
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:45See KP56 v Commonwealth [2022] DCR 20
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:45You're wrong
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:45First screenshot
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Sumo Last Friday at 15:45👀
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:45You said my name in chat?
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:46It shows there is a floating block of gold, which only can occur when someone breaks gold blocks
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:46I believe you are incorrect.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:46@RelaxedGV Please link the precedent
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:46And even if you are right, I didn't cause that to occur
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:47would you like to dispute the charge y/n?
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:47N is the default
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:47That question violates my rights under Clause V of Section IV of the Constitution.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:47So no dispute
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:47so then there is nothing to argue here given that you don't wish to dispute since your not saying yes.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:47By default
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:47This charge should be a Bank Trespassing charge
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:48not a Bank Robbery charge
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:48so you do want to dispute.
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Sumo Last Friday at 15:48If you have felt you have been wrongfully arrested or are confused on the charge you were given please fill out the following:

Arresting Officers Name:
Charge: (If unsure write “unsure”)
Type of Support Needed: (Write either wrongful arrest or confused on charge)
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:48not really going to do anything since PAs aren't doing anything :/
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Sumo Last Friday at 15:48They just gonna sit here and argue
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:48@Dartanman Everything said here is being logged
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:49I understand that
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:49And will be used against you should you sue the commonwealth
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:49not anything to dispute since they won't say yes to disputing.
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:49I feel like this ticket isn't getting anywhere.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:49Because you are refusing to cooperate
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:49Please, listen to us
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:49Okay, answer me this:
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:49if you have evidence that its false or anything then we can remove the charge fully. We can't really do anything without you agreeing to dispute the charge.
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ᴀᴄ Last Friday at 15:50Perhaps you can send us your chat logs ?
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:50I do not wish to prove I am innocent
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:50You cannot charge someone without proof
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:50Then you have no grounds to sue the commonwealth
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:50Yes I do
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ᴀᴄ Last Friday at 15:50Look, this is as much proof as we are able to get because it is a Minecraft server
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:50You do not want to cooperate, this is on you
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:51Not our fault, this is on you
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joseph Last Friday at 15:51@Dartanman It's not that serious, relax
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:51IF I dispute...
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:51What does that mean?
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:51Everyone stop talking
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:51I am calling the secretary
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:51<@736665052093874199>
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Sumo Last Friday at 15:51Means close the ticket
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:51it means you can get the charge lowered, removed, etc
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:51Or Elaina's representative, @ᴀᴄ
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:51If I dispute, does that mean I believe the charge is incorrect?
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:52Yes
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:52basically yes
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:52And that's all it means?
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:52Open a DLA ticket
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:52not exactly.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:52We can discuss that there
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:52depends on the situation
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:52Then I'm not disputing.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:52Roger
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:53@RelaxedGV screenshot this message, put it in the DLA discord
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:53To be clear, I'm not disputing in this ticket
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:53Then you cannot dispute in court
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:53You are required to try in a ticket before you try in court, it is clear you are not trying
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:53I am definitely still taking this to court if this charge is not lowered to Bank Trespassing
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:54Okay, then explain
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:54Explain to me what disputing the charge means.
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:54In its entirety
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:54https://www.democracycraft.net/threads/xxtigolbittiesxx-and-ltslade-v-department-of-justice-2021-scr-16.7797/
Lawsuit: Adjourned - xxTigOlBittiesxx and LTSlade v. Department of ...
APPEALED CASE
Original Case: xxTigOlBittiesxx and LTSlade (The Lovely Law Firm representing) v. Department of Justice [Case No. 07-2021-06]
Appeal Link: Case No. 07-2021-06 - Appeal Request
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF REDMONT
CIVIL ACTION
xxTigOlBittiesxx and LTSlade (The...
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:54Read the verdict please
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:55original case btw

https://www.democracycraft.net/threads/xxtigolbittiesxx-and-ltslade-v-department-of-justice-2021-fcr-78.7396/
Lawsuit: Dismissed - xxTigOlBittiesxx and LTSlade v. Department of ...
xxTigOlBittiesxx and LTSlade (The Lovely Law Firm Representing) v. Department of Justice
IN THE FEDERAL COURT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF REDMONT
CIVIL ACTION
xxTigOlBittiesxx and LTSlade (The Lovely Law Firm Representing)
Plaintiff
v.
Department of Justice
Defendant...
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:551. It is the opinion of the court that the evidence presented by the Plaintiffs should have been shared with the Department of Justice via a departmental ticket. As established in nnmc v. DoJ, the Plaintiffs should have utilized all exhaustive measures, including reporting the crime via a departmental ticket, before filing a lawsuit.
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 15:55okay now I go do Congress stuff
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:55This is a case I actually argued partly :)
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:56My first supreme court case
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:56I have no evidence to share.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:56You are required to use all exhaustive measures before filing a lawsuit @Dartanman
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:56But I don't have any evidence
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:57Fine, we look at the precedent in nnmc v. DOJ
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:57All I want to know right now:
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:57Explain to me what disputing the charge means.
In its entirety
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:57a higher up can explain that for you
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:57Like who?
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:57@ᴀᴄ
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Dartanman Last Friday at 15:58@ᴀᴄ please @ me when you're here so I can respond promptly if I am awake.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 15:59@Dartanman Again, before filing a lawsuit you are required to use "all exhaustive measures"
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:00As said by the supreme court
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:00This ticket is still open, isn't it?
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:00It is
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:00And until you cooperate, you may not open a lawsuit
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:00That is my interpretation of the verdict
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:01@Dartanman As said by former justice Westray
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:01"You cannot expect the Department of Justice to be the seeing eye of all, and to instantaneously have an awareness of all criminal situations. The Plaintiffs effectively withheld evidence from the Department of Justice, and then used it to sue them."
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:01"the Plaintiffs to this case, have not once been seen attempting to communicate their concern"
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:02"If the Plaintiffs had a care about injustice, they would have made a significant effort to contact the Department before"
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:02I have no evidence here.

I have no evidence if I file a lawsuit (except I will use this ticket as evidence if this is not resolved)
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:03And I wish to know what it means to dispute a charge
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:03lets just stop until AC responds
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:03From former justice Matther100x
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:03"it's clear to me that the plaintiffs didn't take any appropriate measures in trying to get the DoJ to do their jobs before suing the department. Thus this makes the decision process rather easy because of the case Lord_Donuticus vs The DoJ & Executive Branch."
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:03And until I am told what it legally means, I will not do it.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:04I am just informing you why you're threats will not work
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:04So it is better to stop them now until look at precedents applying to this kind of situation
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:04End of statement, thank you
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:05Let me say it this way:

If disputing the charge simply means I do not believe I was charged with the correct crime, then yes, I am disputing the charge. If it brings about any other implications, such as an admission of guilt, claim of innocence, or literally anything else, no, I am not disputing the charge.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:05Believing you were not charged with the correct crime implies a lot of other things
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:06You are claiming you were not charged with the correct crime, you are also claiming that the charge is false
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:07mostly depends on the instance but, most of the time its just trying to get it removed. Sometimes it'll get lowered rather than removed but, its rare.
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:07Is that all it means?
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:07again depends on the instance
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:07in this instance its just trying to get it removed
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:08or at the least lowered
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:08Hypothetically, if I were to say: "I dispute this charge, as I should have been charged with Bank Trespassing."

What would that mean?
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:08It would mean you are claiming the bank robbery charge is false
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:08you shouldn't have been charged with bank robbery.
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:08That's it?
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:08basically
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:09I don't want basically.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:09.
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:09I need to know, in fullness, what it means.
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:09basically that is what it means
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:09.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:09Those two
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:09I say basically because it depends on the instance still
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:09just again in this instance it would be lowering/removal of the charge
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:10You are also subject to a possible obstruction of justice charge if you dispute bank robbery and it turns out the charge stands
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:10never heard of someone doing that
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:10It's unreasonable to expect someone to claim innocence or admit guilt. Both are against Clause V of Section IV of the Constitution
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:11then it can't be disputed and removed/lowered.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:11Either you claim innocence/admit guilt OR you can not dispute the charge
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:11you can talk to your local Representative about getting it amended however its worked out just fine for a very long time
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:11Then I have no choice but to file a suit
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:11@Dartanman Look at the precedent I told you
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:12I believe this is entirely different
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:12I have exhausted all options apart from a direct violation of my rights
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:12The precedent in that case can also apply here
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:12Clause IV is not being violated as we are trying to help you appeal the charge.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:12^
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:12Clause V
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:13We are TRYING TO HELP YOU, you just need to cooperate for once
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:13Clause V is not being violated given that you are trying to prove your innocence. If there is truly nothing incriminating then we can remove it.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:13"it's clear to me that the plaintiffs didn't take any appropriate measures in trying to get the DoJ to do their jobs before suing the department. Thus this makes the decision process rather easy because of the case Lord_Donuticus vs The DoJ & Executive Branch." @Dartanman
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:13I'm not trying to prove my innocence. On principle, I should not have to.
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:13I am innocent until proven guilty not guilty until proven innocent
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:13we can't help without you willing to help. If you deny to dispute then nothing else can be done given this is how it has been for over a year.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:14@Dartanman Again, according to precedent
"You cannot expect the Department of Justice to be the seeing eye of all, and to instantaneously have an awareness of all criminal situations. The Plaintiffs effectively withheld evidence from the Department of Justice, and then used it to sue them."
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:14Again
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:14This is our same situation
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:14I have no evidence for you or the courts
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:14You have your chatlogs
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:14I'm not witholding evidence
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:14Just to use in court later
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:14I have none for either
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:14Which you are failing to turn over
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:14I can't turn over that which I do not have
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:14You have your logs, do not lie
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:15technically everyone does. I can grab the guide that shows how to find them.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:15Unless of course you deleted them
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:15I probably have a chat log
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:15whenever you open minecraft it auto logs chats, errors, etc
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:15In which you would be charged with obstruction
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:15But again, I do not have to prove my innocence
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:16then nothing can be done. Unless you are willing to dispute nothing else can be done. Please close the ticket if there is nothing else.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:16I am honestly tired of this.
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:16"You cannot expect the Department of Justice to be the seeing eye of all, and to instantaneously have an awareness of all criminal situations."
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:16I'll close the ticket then.
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:16have a good day
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:16@Dartanman Just keep in mind
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:16We tried our best to help you
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:16But you are refusing our help by withholding information
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:16Obviously not
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:17Do you have your chat logs, yes or no? @Dartanman
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:18Provide them and we can prove your innocence, everyone goes home happy
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:18For the endth time, I don't wish to prove my innocence
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:18yknow I just realized. For a lot of things you break Clause V
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:18@RelaxedGV Explain
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:18And that's a big problem.
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:19I'm closing this ticket now.
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:19for literally everything that disputes any charge at all then its breaking Clause V
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:19So you are misusing
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RelaxedGV Last Friday at 16:19including Court Cases
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Mask3D_WOLF Last Friday at 16:19Our help
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Dartanman Last Friday at 16:19You didn't help